From: | Robyn Carroll <robyn.carroll@uwa.edu.au> |
To: | 'Robert Stevens' <robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk> |
'Allison Silink' <allison.silink@barnet.com.au> | |
'A.P. Simester' <simester@nus.edu.sg> | |
Hedley, Steve </O=UNIVERSITY COLLEGE CORK/OU=MSEXCHANGE/CN=ACADEMIC/CN=LAW/CN=S.HEDLEY> | |
obligations@uwo.ca | |
Date: | 29/10/2009 14:13:07 UTC |
Subject: | RE: Liability of public authorities to apologize |
Thanks Lionel for circulating the
transcript from the BC trial. Interestingly, the BC courts have now
provided at leat two cases where an apology order under s24 of the Canadian
Charter has been either contemplated or, in this case, made. Moore v Canadian Newspapers Co. Ltd 69
O.R. (2d) 262, [1989] O.J. No. 948 concerned an appeal against a decision of
the
There are at least two other cases of
which I am aware where Canadian Courts have recognised the potential for an
apology to be ordered as a remedy under s24 of the Charter, see Perera v Canada(1998), 158 DLR (4th) 341
and Bevis v Burns (2006), 269 D.L.R. (4th) 696.
As to the meaning of apology and whether
sincerity is a necessary element, there are strongly differing views on that
question in the apology literature. There is certainly support from some
quarters that an apology, even if uttered through gritted teeth, has some value
to the recipient. In my view the importance of sincerity depends on the purpose
of the apology. As Rob says, when we are teaching our children
appropriate civil behaviour, sincerity is not the point. For many people
who are injured or affronted it will be. That is why most people won’t
seek an apology that they know will be insincere or only partial, eg
‘I’m sorry if you think I did the wrong thing”. But there are
numerous examples of insincere apologies being considered to have social, legal
and psychological value. As Steve points out, they are an important feature of
restorative justice. My own view is that the value of an apology should
be judged by its value to the recipient. That is not to say that a judge
asked to make an order to apologise need not exercise discretion to decide
whether it will achieve any purpose of compensation, vindication or
appeasement, all of which are purposes of civil remedies. But we should
not be too quick to dismiss the value of an apology as a remedial order even when
it is given only after it is ordered.
The distinction drawn in Burns between personal apologies and
apologies that are an acknowledgement of wrongful conduct (which is not a distinction
drawn in all cases in this jurisdiction or necessarily in other national
jurisdictions where apology orders are available) is constructive even though
it leaves open the question, in my mind, whether it would not better be
described as what it is, namely an acknowledgement of wrongdoing, rather than
as an apology. The paradox is that if it is not called an apology it might lose
some of its value to the person who seeks it.
I have collected as much of the case law
and statutory material in Aust, Canada, NZ, Sth Africa, Hong Kong and the US
and references to apology literature as I have been able to find in a chapter I
have written in a forthcoming book titled J Berryman and R Bigwood (eds), The Law of Remedies: New Direction in the Common Law
(2009) and a paper I presented at a Remedies Forum earlier this year. If
anyone is interested in reading them please let me know and I will send them to
you.
Robyn
From:
Robert Stevens [mailto:robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009
6:01 PM
To: 'Allison Silink'; 'A.P.
Simester'; 'Hedley, Steve'; obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: RE: Liability of public
authorities to apologize
"Frank" means
sincere.
I am sure we can find a dictionary
somewhere which doesn't include sincerity as part of the definition, unlike the
Shorter OED.
R
From:
Allison Silink [mailto:allison.silink@barnet.com.au]
Sent: 29 October 2009 09:58
To: 'Robert Stevens'; 'A.P.
Simester'; 'Hedley, Steve'; obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: RE: Liability of public
authorities to apologize
The Shorter English
Oxford dictionary defines apology as, “3. A frank acknowledgement, by way
of reparation, of offence given, or an explanation that offence was not
intended, with expression of regret for any given or taken.”
Leaving aside enquiries as to whether such expressions are genuinely felt or
given through gritted teeth, I’m inclined to think that definition gets
to the heart of the purpose of such orders. It is a (forced) public
admission of wrongdoing for the benefit of the plaintiff and plaintiff’s
interests regardless of the defendant’s mental state in complying with
the order.
Allison Silink
From:
Robert Stevens [mailto:robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk]
Sent: 29 October 2009 20:43
To: 'A.P. Simester'; 'Hedley,
Steve'; obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: RE: Liability of public
authorities to apologize
Maybe that is right. If we say that insincere apologies are still
apologies, just as terrible art is still art or Nazi race laws are
still law, then we have to keep in mind that we shouldn't
think they necessarily have even a residuum of
the value that the core or central case has. An insincere apology
may, in some cases, be worse than no apology at all. If it is, don't order
it.
Rob
From:
A.P. Simester [mailto:simester@nus.edu.sg]
Sent: 29 October 2009 09:17
To: Robert Stevens; Hedley, Steve;
obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: RE: Liability of public
authorities to apologize
There may be a
distinction buried in Rob's example, in that the child's "apology" is
patently insincere - and for that reason may not qualify as an apology. I'm
inclined to agree with Steve, that it is possible for one to aplogoise for
reasons other than genuine regret. That would suggest that the
apology is the expression of regret.
A
From:
Robert Stevens [mailto:robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk]
Sent: Thu 29-Oct-09 4:56 PM
To: 'Hedley, Steve';
obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: RE: Liability of public
authorities to apologize
Sorry (sincerely) Steve, I was
unclear.
I approve of orders of this kind, for very much the reasons you give. I
don't think damages are awarded to make good losses but rather to achieve
the nearest approximation to the wrong not having been committed. One way of
illustrating that is, as you say, damages for pain and suffering. I approve
of them too, and think their (partial?) abolition in
a misconception of what damages are there to do.
Apologies are similarly substitutive in the sense that they are our doing
something in place of what we can no longer do (not commit the wrong in the
first place). We use the word apology in the sense of a (poor) substitute as
well (eg "Stevens' apology for a book on the law of torts".)
I wonder however whether it is right that something which is an expression
of regret which is wholly insincere really is an apology in the proper
sense. We see the same thing with children all the time.
"Apologise to your sister for hitting her."
"Soo-rrrrryyyyy"
"No, that isn't an apology, you must mean it."
I am minded to think that an insincere apology doesn't exist, like a
truthful lie. That doesn't mean that compelling expressions of regret isn't
a good thing.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Hedley, Steve [mailto:S.Hedley@ucc.ie]
Sent: 29 October 2009 08:35
To: obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: RE: Liability of public authorities to apologize
Well, there are two points here - whether a compelled apology is really an
apology at all, and whether an order to apologise can be an appropriate
response to a wrong.
On the semantic point, I'm afraid ordinary usage is against Rob. An
insincere apology is still an apology - no doubt it is a different thing
from a sincere apology, but it's still a species of apology. As to which
is
more satisfying, I think that will depend on the circumstances and the
parties involved. Some people would get considerable satisfaction from an
insincere apology, knowing that their wrongdoer will really hate having to
make it. And whether that's something we should encourage must depend on
wider considerations than have been canvassed here. Much the same issues
have been raised in relation to restorative justice (which, at the risk of
oversimplifying, is mostly about making the perpetrators of crimes act as if
they were sorry).
On the remedies point, I don't see the problem. Remedies for torts almost
never give back precisely what was lost. Someone who loses a leg or the use
of a leg doesn't get back that thing, but rather a sum of money. Sometimes
the correspondence between what was lost and what is awarded is small,
sometimes it is large, but there is almost always a significant difference
(and if Rob is against apologies, I can't see how he can be in favour of
damages for pain and suffering, where again the remedy bears only the most
distant relation to what was lost).
Steve Hedley
UCC
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Stevens [mailto:robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk]
Sent: 28 October 2009 20:28
To: Lionel Smith, Prof.
Cc: ODG
Subject: Re: Liability of public authorities to apologize
Can an apology be involuntary?
I don't think so. An apology is a voluntary recognition of wrongdoing.
They ought to apologise but can a court order compel a genuine apology?
Making someone going through the form of making an apology like this is
like putting the wrongdoer in the stocks. It is a way of expressing our
condemnation of the wrong which has been done, in a public and
humiliating
way, but it isn't really an apology. I approve of any order which seeks
to
place the plaintiff in as near a position as can be achieved to the
wrong
not having occurred, and this has no necessary connection with making
good
by compensation of any loss suffered as a result of the wrong.
We see the same thing in the
"apologies" for libels. The Sun may go through the form of making an
apology, but it isn't really apologising.
Rob
> Earlier this year, a Canadian taxpayer brought a claim in the BC
Supreme
> Court against the Canada Revenue Agency for bad faith tax
investigation.
> He
> succeeded in negligence and also obtained a remedy under s. 24 of the
> Charter for the breach of his s. 8 right to be secure against
unreasonable
> search and seizure. Section 24 provides,
>
> 24. (1) Anyone whose rights or freedoms, as guaranteed by this
Charter,
> have
> been infringed or denied may apply to a court of competent
jurisdiction to
> obtain such remedy as the court considers appropriate and just in the
> circumstances.
>
> As you can see in the attached documents, the jury awarded $300,000
for
> negligence, with zero for punitive damages. However, for the s. 24
claim,
> they awarded $1,000,000 and ordered the Minister to apologize to the
> plaintiff. I am not sure whether this has happened before under s. 24
(or
> in
> any other context except perhaps a Seinfeld episode). But others might
> know
> better.
>
> The Crown has appealed....
>
> Lionel
>
>
--
Robert Stevens
Professor of Commercial Law